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	<title>Comments on: An Epic Day</title>
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		<title>By: CrossFit Games &#38; Gretchen Kittelberger, Pretty Much a Big Deal &#171; CrossFit Charlottesville</title>
		<link>http://charlottesvillesuperfit.com/2010/01/30/an-epic-day/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CrossFit Games &#38; Gretchen Kittelberger, Pretty Much a Big Deal &#171; CrossFit Charlottesville]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] training with us.  After many WODs later, Gretchen got her first taste of competition at the 1st Annual 2010 SuperFit Games. You&#8217;ll notice she didn&#8217;t place at that competition and that was just January. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] training with us.  After many WODs later, Gretchen got her first taste of competition at the 1st Annual 2010 SuperFit Games. You&#8217;ll notice she didn&#8217;t place at that competition and that was just January. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Hoggan</title>
		<link>http://charlottesvillesuperfit.com/2010/01/30/an-epic-day/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Hoggan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not challenging the validity of allowing a Squat/Jerk combination... I just address and agree with your last point: the points of performance need to be addressed and expressed clearly to all competitors to not give some an advantage over others.  If you call it a thruster but allow deviations, just let everyone know so it&#039;s an even field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not challenging the validity of allowing a Squat/Jerk combination&#8230; I just address and agree with your last point: the points of performance need to be addressed and expressed clearly to all competitors to not give some an advantage over others.  If you call it a thruster but allow deviations, just let everyone know so it&#8217;s an even field.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://charlottesvillesuperfit.com/2010/01/30/an-epic-day/#comment-110</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I started the Front Squat/Push Jerk movement that many athletes took on in later heats.  I competed with a torn labrum and partially torn rotator cuff and knew this WOD would crush my shoulder after doing a mini version on Thursday when I saw it posted.  To mitigate shoulder fatigue I asked if a jerk type motion would be allowed at 8 AM prior to any events starting.  I was told even a distinct front squat/jerk would be acceptable as long as hips were fully extended and arms were behind ears at the finish.  I confirmed this with two judges prior to the WOD starting.  If I were told it had to be one fluid movement from squat to press then I would have done that. 

It is similar to last years points of performance in the Mid Atlantic Qualifiers Snatch WOD- a full squat snatch was prescribed yet athletes were allowed to power snatch then OH Squat.  It was not the prescribed movement yet it was allowed.  If anything, after the question was asked all competitors should have been alerted to that question and answer when points of performance were covered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started the Front Squat/Push Jerk movement that many athletes took on in later heats.  I competed with a torn labrum and partially torn rotator cuff and knew this WOD would crush my shoulder after doing a mini version on Thursday when I saw it posted.  To mitigate shoulder fatigue I asked if a jerk type motion would be allowed at 8 AM prior to any events starting.  I was told even a distinct front squat/jerk would be acceptable as long as hips were fully extended and arms were behind ears at the finish.  I confirmed this with two judges prior to the WOD starting.  If I were told it had to be one fluid movement from squat to press then I would have done that. </p>
<p>It is similar to last years points of performance in the Mid Atlantic Qualifiers Snatch WOD- a full squat snatch was prescribed yet athletes were allowed to power snatch then OH Squat.  It was not the prescribed movement yet it was allowed.  If anything, after the question was asked all competitors should have been alerted to that question and answer when points of performance were covered.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://charlottesvillesuperfit.com/2010/01/30/an-epic-day/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jason, thanks for the feedback. We&#039;ll do our best to do better in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, thanks for the feedback. We&#8217;ll do our best to do better in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://charlottesvillesuperfit.com/2010/01/30/an-epic-day/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve attempted to write a comment a few times since yesterday, so I apologize if a bunch pop up at once.  I wanted to thank you guys for throwing this event (my name is Jason, not Josh... but thanks for the props :)).  We met a lot of cool people, and it was definitely fun, despite the bad luck with weather.  The gift bags were a nice touch as well.  I have to give props to Katie and Rebecca for killing the final WOD (damn, Katie, you couldn&#039;t even let one guy beat you??).  I can&#039;t wait to see you guys and the rest of Outlaw Crossfit at Sectionals.  

With that said, I think there are a few lessons learned that I think the organizers of this and future events can take to improve upon the format and make them even bigger successes:

1 - Write back-up WODs (well) in advance to account for incliment weather
2 - ALWAYS test your WODs.
3 - When testing the WODs, have all judges either participate or watch, and document all questions that arise regarding specific points of performance and variations on movements (eg. a thruster is not a front squat and jerk... yes, it&#039;s slower, but it also saves your shoulders)
4 - If a WOD encourages gaming, change it.
5 - If organizing heats by performance, put the fastest performers last

I think this event has awesome potential.  With a few tweaks and additional planning, the organizers will avoid many of the safety and logistical problems created primarily by WOD 3.  As the first guy on HSPUs - and subsequently the first guy to take a head-dive into concrete (with a pretty cool bruise to show for it) - I think I have decent standing to comment.  

In any case, thanks again, and I&#039;ll look forward to making this an annual staple in the run-up to sectionals.

Jason Hoggan
Outlaw CF / CF Alexandria]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve attempted to write a comment a few times since yesterday, so I apologize if a bunch pop up at once.  I wanted to thank you guys for throwing this event (my name is Jason, not Josh&#8230; but thanks for the props <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).  We met a lot of cool people, and it was definitely fun, despite the bad luck with weather.  The gift bags were a nice touch as well.  I have to give props to Katie and Rebecca for killing the final WOD (damn, Katie, you couldn&#8217;t even let one guy beat you??).  I can&#8217;t wait to see you guys and the rest of Outlaw Crossfit at Sectionals.  </p>
<p>With that said, I think there are a few lessons learned that I think the organizers of this and future events can take to improve upon the format and make them even bigger successes:</p>
<p>1 &#8211; Write back-up WODs (well) in advance to account for incliment weather<br />
2 &#8211; ALWAYS test your WODs.<br />
3 &#8211; When testing the WODs, have all judges either participate or watch, and document all questions that arise regarding specific points of performance and variations on movements (eg. a thruster is not a front squat and jerk&#8230; yes, it&#8217;s slower, but it also saves your shoulders)<br />
4 &#8211; If a WOD encourages gaming, change it.<br />
5 &#8211; If organizing heats by performance, put the fastest performers last</p>
<p>I think this event has awesome potential.  With a few tweaks and additional planning, the organizers will avoid many of the safety and logistical problems created primarily by WOD 3.  As the first guy on HSPUs &#8211; and subsequently the first guy to take a head-dive into concrete (with a pretty cool bruise to show for it) &#8211; I think I have decent standing to comment.  </p>
<p>In any case, thanks again, and I&#8217;ll look forward to making this an annual staple in the run-up to sectionals.</p>
<p>Jason Hoggan<br />
Outlaw CF / CF Alexandria</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if all you cared about was starting and ending position then why the strict standards for the hspu? if its all about time then why not allow kipping hspu?

i just didnt and still dont understand the strictness for the bodyweight movement (burpees and hspu) but relaxed standards for barbell movement (thrusters). i clearly understand that a front squat and a jerk is slower than a thruster, but its also easier.

im with you that the change was needed to lower the number of hspu and goes back to the programming point.  if you had months to program these wods shouldnt you have consulted other coaches or run other athletes through similar wods beforehand to know what the times and fatigue would be like? or if you didnt want to do that do an actual cf bwi style hopper challenge.

anyway, crossfit is a constantly humbling process and a learning process as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if all you cared about was starting and ending position then why the strict standards for the hspu? if its all about time then why not allow kipping hspu?</p>
<p>i just didnt and still dont understand the strictness for the bodyweight movement (burpees and hspu) but relaxed standards for barbell movement (thrusters). i clearly understand that a front squat and a jerk is slower than a thruster, but its also easier.</p>
<p>im with you that the change was needed to lower the number of hspu and goes back to the programming point.  if you had months to program these wods shouldnt you have consulted other coaches or run other athletes through similar wods beforehand to know what the times and fatigue would be like? or if you didnt want to do that do an actual cf bwi style hopper challenge.</p>
<p>anyway, crossfit is a constantly humbling process and a learning process as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam,
There were plenty of opportunities to clarify points of performance.   Judging standards were established based on what we can reasonably judge.  We cared about starting position and ending position. These standards were clarified on the video and during the event. You had plenty of time to ask questions during the event, prior to the event with your judge or prior to the event on the web.  We OK&#039;ed the movement to which you refer to when competitors asked for clarification.  Ex-post facto critique of judging points of performance, especially with the time we gave you to ask questions is a moot point.  

Secondly, if you break up bar momentum by stopping at the top of a front squat, then push pressing it, you have done more work in a slower time.  

Thirdly, judging is different than coaching. They are very different things and not relevant to a competitive environment.  What about back position on a 3 minute deadlift event or not catching a snatch with locked out shoulders on the final or any other hundreds of coach-able &quot;faults&quot; that happen when people get tired and try new things? 

That workout differentiated a lot of people and our last minute change needed to happen to keep the event going with a high level of competition.  I admit we didn&#039;t estimate the amount of shoulder fatigue, but our last minute fix ended up working just fine.  

Judges not enforcing standards is another issue. We said that clear violations of feet width outside the shoulders would be counted back; that should have happened.  It&#039;s pretty obvious when people are rotating into an incline press vs a handstand pushup and the feet being wide is indicative of that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,<br />
There were plenty of opportunities to clarify points of performance.   Judging standards were established based on what we can reasonably judge.  We cared about starting position and ending position. These standards were clarified on the video and during the event. You had plenty of time to ask questions during the event, prior to the event with your judge or prior to the event on the web.  We OK&#8217;ed the movement to which you refer to when competitors asked for clarification.  Ex-post facto critique of judging points of performance, especially with the time we gave you to ask questions is a moot point.  </p>
<p>Secondly, if you break up bar momentum by stopping at the top of a front squat, then push pressing it, you have done more work in a slower time.  </p>
<p>Thirdly, judging is different than coaching. They are very different things and not relevant to a competitive environment.  What about back position on a 3 minute deadlift event or not catching a snatch with locked out shoulders on the final or any other hundreds of coach-able &#8220;faults&#8221; that happen when people get tired and try new things? </p>
<p>That workout differentiated a lot of people and our last minute change needed to happen to keep the event going with a high level of competition.  I admit we didn&#8217;t estimate the amount of shoulder fatigue, but our last minute fix ended up working just fine.  </p>
<p>Judges not enforcing standards is another issue. We said that clear violations of feet width outside the shoulders would be counted back; that should have happened.  It&#8217;s pretty obvious when people are rotating into an incline press vs a handstand pushup and the feet being wide is indicative of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[great effort by all competitors there.  worst judging and enforcement of standards for workouts that i have seen happened during the 3rd wod.  if you forgot to raise your hands off the ground during burpees that rep didnt count, but they let people front squat and then jerk the weight for the thrusters.  a front squat, a clear pause, then a push jerk is not a thruster, i doubt any cf coach would let thier clients set a pr in fran in this way.  then they made clear that feet coming off the wall or feet outside the shoulders would not count for a hspu.  only feet coming off the wall was enforced, so many people had feet outside the shoulders and those reps counted.  and the workouts seemed poorly programmed as the original cut off for the original workout was 10 mins and only a few men got sub-10 min with the lowered number of hspu.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great effort by all competitors there.  worst judging and enforcement of standards for workouts that i have seen happened during the 3rd wod.  if you forgot to raise your hands off the ground during burpees that rep didnt count, but they let people front squat and then jerk the weight for the thrusters.  a front squat, a clear pause, then a push jerk is not a thruster, i doubt any cf coach would let thier clients set a pr in fran in this way.  then they made clear that feet coming off the wall or feet outside the shoulders would not count for a hspu.  only feet coming off the wall was enforced, so many people had feet outside the shoulders and those reps counted.  and the workouts seemed poorly programmed as the original cut off for the original workout was 10 mins and only a few men got sub-10 min with the lowered number of hspu.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elizabeth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elizabeth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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